Comments on: RELOADED: The Cast of Culprits Part 2. The Teachers http://oldandrew.edublogs.org/2008/03/27/reloaded-the-cast-of-culprits-part-2-the-teachers/ A Blog About Teaching in Tough Schools in the UK Sat, 26 Jul 2008 00:21:07 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: fat-tony http://oldandrew.edublogs.org/2008/03/27/reloaded-the-cast-of-culprits-part-2-the-teachers/#comment-287 fat-tony Mon, 14 Apr 2008 16:15:27 +0000 http://oldandrew.edublogs.org/2008/03/27/reloaded-the-cast-of-culprits-part-2-the-teachers/#comment-287 So this duncan character's job is only secure if he doesn't loose his students? The situations are not comparable, as it is in his interests to keep them to get paid then surely he'll behave unprofessionally and appease other wise he wouldn't get paid. Are you a teacher? Or do you take them on those peculiar fieldtrips to the woods where loosing them would definately be a bad thing.... make the papers that would. fat-tony So this duncan character’s job is only secure if he doesn’t loose his students? The situations are not comparable, as it is in his interests to keep them to get paid then surely he’ll behave unprofessionally and appease other wise he wouldn’t get paid. Are you a teacher? Or do you take them on those peculiar fieldtrips to the woods where loosing them would definately be a bad thing…. make the papers that would.

fat-tony

]]> By: Duncan http://oldandrew.edublogs.org/2008/03/27/reloaded-the-cast-of-culprits-part-2-the-teachers/#comment-254 Duncan Sun, 06 Apr 2008 16:12:18 +0000 http://oldandrew.edublogs.org/2008/03/27/reloaded-the-cast-of-culprits-part-2-the-teachers/#comment-254 By not being one. By not being one.

]]> By: oldandrew http://oldandrew.edublogs.org/2008/03/27/reloaded-the-cast-of-culprits-part-2-the-teachers/#comment-250 oldandrew Sun, 06 Apr 2008 15:46:40 +0000 http://oldandrew.edublogs.org/2008/03/27/reloaded-the-cast-of-culprits-part-2-the-teachers/#comment-250 How is failing to implement the rules anything other than a reward for badly behaved kids? How is failing to implement the rules anything other than a reward for badly behaved kids?

]]> By: Duncan http://oldandrew.edublogs.org/2008/03/27/reloaded-the-cast-of-culprits-part-2-the-teachers/#comment-244 Duncan Sun, 06 Apr 2008 11:40:02 +0000 http://oldandrew.edublogs.org/2008/03/27/reloaded-the-cast-of-culprits-part-2-the-teachers/#comment-244 I'm suggesting that teacher discretion on the full implementation of rules can be right. I've inferred that you would disagree. I’m suggesting that teacher discretion on the full implementation of rules can be right. I’ve inferred that you would disagree.

]]> By: oldandrew http://oldandrew.edublogs.org/2008/03/27/reloaded-the-cast-of-culprits-part-2-the-teachers/#comment-239 oldandrew Sun, 06 Apr 2008 06:49:23 +0000 http://oldandrew.edublogs.org/2008/03/27/reloaded-the-cast-of-culprits-part-2-the-teachers/#comment-239 You appeared to be suggesting rewarding bad behaviour. That's what I mean by appeasement. If that's not what you are talking about then I don't understand what your disagreement is. You appeared to be suggesting rewarding bad behaviour. That’s what I mean by appeasement. If that’s not what you are talking about then I don’t understand what your disagreement is.

]]> By: Duncan http://oldandrew.edublogs.org/2008/03/27/reloaded-the-cast-of-culprits-part-2-the-teachers/#comment-231 Duncan Sat, 05 Apr 2008 17:44:24 +0000 http://oldandrew.edublogs.org/2008/03/27/reloaded-the-cast-of-culprits-part-2-the-teachers/#comment-231 No, because I never suggested rewarding bad behaviour. I never suggested lying to the class - there normally is something they don't know. And hundreds of years of teaching experience tells us to play the situation. Some pupils respond better to some approaches than others. As only you call it appeasement, the history of appeasement is completely irrelevent. No, because I never suggested rewarding bad behaviour. I never suggested lying to the class - there normally is something they don’t know.

And hundreds of years of teaching experience tells us to play the situation. Some pupils respond better to some approaches than others. As only you call it appeasement, the history of appeasement is completely irrelevent.

]]> By: oldandrew http://oldandrew.edublogs.org/2008/03/27/reloaded-the-cast-of-culprits-part-2-the-teachers/#comment-228 oldandrew Sat, 05 Apr 2008 06:38:49 +0000 http://oldandrew.edublogs.org/2008/03/27/reloaded-the-cast-of-culprits-part-2-the-teachers/#comment-228 Are you now suggesting that after rewarding bad behaviour you should then lie to the rest of the class about it? Oh, and hundreds of years experience tells us that appeasement doesn't work. Are you now suggesting that after rewarding bad behaviour you should then lie to the rest of the class about it?

Oh, and hundreds of years experience tells us that appeasement doesn’t work.

]]> By: Duncan http://oldandrew.edublogs.org/2008/03/27/reloaded-the-cast-of-culprits-part-2-the-teachers/#comment-225 Duncan Fri, 04 Apr 2008 22:26:57 +0000 http://oldandrew.edublogs.org/2008/03/27/reloaded-the-cast-of-culprits-part-2-the-teachers/#comment-225 No, but impression management is a little easier than classroom management. It's easy enough to give them the impression that things are going on behind the scenes, or there's stuff they don't know, and shouldn't. After all, there generally is. Obviously we operate in different environments, and part of my daily struggle is not to lose students. Obviously yours are stuck with you however much you discipline them! But I'm sure there would still be moments when carrot would work better than stick, etc. To always characterise that as appeasement is to damn hundreds of years of experience and damn an essential tool in every teacher's armoury. You can generally tell when a pupil is in need of a tough line and when they're in need of a biscuit. Managing the impression the other pupils get is another thing entirely. No, but impression management is a little easier than classroom management. It’s easy enough to give them the impression that things are going on behind the scenes, or there’s stuff they don’t know, and shouldn’t. After all, there generally is. Obviously we operate in different environments, and part of my daily struggle is not to lose students. Obviously yours are stuck with you however much you discipline them! But I’m sure there would still be moments when carrot would work better than stick, etc. To always characterise that as appeasement is to damn hundreds of years of experience and damn an essential tool in every teacher’s armoury. You can generally tell when a pupil is in need of a tough line and when they’re in need of a biscuit. Managing the impression the other pupils get is another thing entirely.

]]> By: oldandrew http://oldandrew.edublogs.org/2008/03/27/reloaded-the-cast-of-culprits-part-2-the-teachers/#comment-224 oldandrew Fri, 04 Apr 2008 21:58:27 +0000 http://oldandrew.edublogs.org/2008/03/27/reloaded-the-cast-of-culprits-part-2-the-teachers/#comment-224 I'm sorry but letting a class think that there is no law is never appropriate or effective. I’m sorry but letting a class think that there is no law is never appropriate or effective.

]]> By: Duncan http://oldandrew.edublogs.org/2008/03/27/reloaded-the-cast-of-culprits-part-2-the-teachers/#comment-220 Duncan Fri, 04 Apr 2008 21:15:23 +0000 http://oldandrew.edublogs.org/2008/03/27/reloaded-the-cast-of-culprits-part-2-the-teachers/#comment-220 Well I agree that it's not either/or. But laying down the law isn't always appropriate or effective. Making that call doesn't make you unprofessional. Well I agree that it’s not either/or. But laying down the law isn’t always appropriate or effective. Making that call doesn’t make you unprofessional.

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